January 29, 2022


Not another COVID newsletter

In last week’s newsletter on vaccine mandates, I implored you all to think. Many of you rose to the occasion with insightful feedback.

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If you are reading this, then you’ve made it beyond the title of this newsletter! Congratulations – I’m sure the subject elicited more than a few eye rolls among my readers.

Yes, this week we’re giving you more content about COVID. (The last of it, I hope. Really.) Why? Because in last week’s newsletter on vaccine mandates, I implored you all to think. Many of you rose to the occasion with insightful feedback – both positive and negative – which absolutely merits additional discussion.

I was also surprised by two particular themes of feedback, both of which I received in spades:

“I was strongly in favor of vaccine mandates, but after reading your argument, I have changed my mind. Thank you for taking the time to walk through your argument in such detail.”


“I agree with your assessment, and I think vaccine mandates are a bad policy, but I can not say so publicly because I need to stay out of thorny political issues. Sorry I can’t also speak up on this.”

I appreciate this feedback (though I remain confused by the second of these, as this discussion was centered on scientific evidence, not politics), as well as the thoughtful comments and questions about the limitations of the points I made last week. I’d therefore like to spend a little time drawing attention to some of these questions and giving them the careful consideration that they deserve.

…But before we do, let’s take a look at the *other* feedback. In weighing in on such a charged issue, I expected to have to fight a few battles along the way. In fairness to all viewpoints – after all, the internet tells us that Twitter agitators have just as much authority as medical experts, and we all know the internet is never wrong – I’ve decided to present some of these criticisms, too, and have asked my team to make a handy flowchart to organize the various lines of thinking.


… My inbox this week might be the closest I’ve ever come to experiencing a blitzkrieg. And yet here I am, returning to this subject, ready for the air raid sirens to start blaring all over again as soon as I share this.


In all seriousness, we received some really great follow-up questions from people who (i) actually read the piece in its entirety and (ii) were versed in the novel technique of disagreeing with the argument I made without reverting to ad hominem attacks. This relatively new technique is called making-a-counter-point-that-focuses-on-the-arguments, whereby they made counter-arguments in good faith to the actual points I raised.

Here are some examples:

1. You’ve neglected to acknowledge that the decision not to vaccinate oneself can potentially impact others. You discussed the relative likelihoods of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated individuals becoming infected and potentially passing the virus along to others, but infection isn’t the only way in which the vaccination decision has broader repercussions. As you pointed out, anti-vaxxers are more likely to be hospitalized or die of COVID, so a “my body, my choice” viewpoint doesn’t apply when one’s personal decision can impose a massive burden on the healthcare system. As an example of an even more profound and personal impact, we could look at anti-vaxxers who have left their children as orphans after dying needlessly of this disease. How is that not reprehensible?

I think this is a fair criticism of my argument. With regards to children becoming orphans because their parents died from COVID while unvaccinated, I have no idea how large that data set is. I guess the only silver lining around this is that the people most harmed by not taking vaccines are, typically, sufficiently older, and therefore hopefully not people with young kids. People in their 30s and 40s, even if unvaccinated, are still at very low risk from COVID (even from the original strain). But no doubt there are some young kids out there today who do not have parents because of this, and this is no more or less tragic than a child losing a parent to any preventable cause of death.

Of course, the same can be said of so many other things that take so many more lives than COVID will ever take. How many parents have died because they didn’t manage their lipids and ended up with premature cardiovascular disease? How many were killed driving drunk or speeding or by others doing so? How many took their own life by suicide or overdose? The answer here must be multiples of COVID. We could certainly enforce mandates to address these things (e.g., forcing statins on people with LDL-C > 150 mg/dL; banning alcohol entirely; forcing automakers to prevent cars from driving more than 60 mph), but is that the world we want to live in?

A similar argument applies to burdens on the healthcare system. Those who chain smoke or drink to excess are increasing their risk of disease and death. Yes, certain high-risk behaviors come with higher health insurance costs to offset the added burden, but that is very different from entirely removing the right to engage in these behaviors. And what about athletes? Team sports and other athletic endeavors frequently cause fractures, sprains, and other sports-related injuries – many involve significant healthcare costs, but we’d never forbid these activities or penalize athletes for engaging in them.

2. You don’t clearly acknowledge that your argument against mandates would fall apart in the presence of a more deadly virus—while rampant misinformation and vaccine resistance would probably still flourish. Given a sufficiently deadly pathogen, we’d vaccinate everyone at gunpoint if necessary—and we’d be right to. So, while I agree with your position on mandates, especially given the turn that Omicron has taken, I feel that we are set up to fail massively in the presence of a more dangerous pandemic.

I mostly agree, and the first version of the vaccine newsletter did address this exact point. I removed it because the piece was, and probably still is, too long, in my opinion. I went through the argument for other vaccines and touched, specifically, on the measles, mumps, & rubella (MMR) vaccine. Essentially, the point I made was that each vaccine-disease pairing must be evaluated separately. It must address the following questions:

  1. How effective is the vaccine at reducing the severity of the disease to the vaccinated individual?
  2. What treatment options exist for the infected?
  3. What are the consequences of infection, beyond death (that is, what is the morbidity for the survivors)?
  4. How well does the vaccine prevent transmission? (Here, for example, is where MMR is very different from COVID because of the nature of measles vs. SARS-CoV-2. Measles requires a long incubation, 10-14 days typically, and spreads only once virus is present in the bloodstream, so vaccines virtually eliminate spread. This is, of course, not at all true of COVID vaccines, because the virus causing COVID incubates for a much shorter time and does not require viremia to spread, which is why it spreads so easily and quickly via mucosal surfaces.)

So I would argue this is another reason to oppose mandates for this virus with these vaccines and this time. A mandate is a very extreme measure; therefore, it should be reserved for cases in which it really moves the needle. It clearly does not move the needle for COVID – currently, at least. The scientific community and health policy community have already squandered most of their good will. By ramming mandates down people’s throats in a scenario when they help virtually no one, they effectively torch the chance to go back to this nuclear option if and when it is ever truly justified.

The last point I would make is that I’m not sure we would need to force effective vaccines at gunpoint if a mandate truly made sense. If we were dealing with a virus that killed 10% of the people it infected, that spread as easily at COVID, and for which we had no treatments, I suspect people would be lining up for vaccines once they saw, with their own eyes (which they would undoubtedly see if 1 in 10 were dying) the toll of the virus on the unvaccinated.

3. You say that Omicron is milder than Delta and previous variants, but daily death rates from Omicron are as high as they have ever been.

This is a fair point. I think there are two things to keep in mind when evaluating the daily death toll from Omicron. First, what you are witnessing with this death toll can’t be compared directly to the previous variants because Omicron is much more contagious than Delta, so the velocity of disease is much greater. In other words, it’s not just that more people are being infected, it’s that the entire population will be exposed to this in a much shorter time frame. So if a previous variant of COVID might be expected to kill X people over 2 years, this one might kill 25% of X people (because it’s less virulent), but over 3 months instead of 2 years because of the speed at which it spreads. Second, in looking at the daily death toll–and to be clear this is a hypothesis that can only be tested once we have all of the mortality data, on a daily basis, for every cause of death in the U.S.–I suspect the daily numbers we are seeing today include two groups of patients: people dying because of Omicron and people dying from some other cause (e.g., cancer, ASCVD) who tested positive for Omicron incidentally. Obviously, only the former should be included in the death toll, but the only way to know the size of the latter is to look at excess and deficit deaths during this peak period, which will take some time. My intuition is that this latter group represents a nontrivial fraction of the COVID deaths we are seeing.


A few people commented on my calculation of the NNT (number needed to treat, or NNV–number needed to vaccinate) for the vaccines, arguing that such a calculation was misleading.

Some comments were in good faith (the novel technique described above).

Some comments were based on a different technique, which I believe is called the If-I-call-you-a-big-enough-piece-of-shit-who-misrepresnts-data-for-personal-gain-it-makes-me-feel-better-about-myself technique.

For those hoping to emulate the former, here is an example:

You list the ARR for ages 65-74, for example, as 0.035%. This review of over 100 studies reports the infection fatality rate (IFR) at age 75 as 4.6%. (Subsequent data like these and these have found a similar if somewhat lower range, presumably after natural immunity had provided some protection.)  If the RRR is 84%, then I think the ARR should be 4.6% X 0.84 = 3.86%, for a NNT of ~26.

The study you’ve cited looks at an entire population and asks what is the ARR prior to any infection, whereas my analysis looks at IFRs (i.e. what happens if you are already infected and unvaccinated vs. already infected and vaccinated). However, given that the high likelihood that unvaccinated individuals would be infected at some point in their lifetimes, the difference of looking at a total population vs. infected population would result in only a small change in NNT.

I have been trying to see where I am wrong, either in my understanding of the age-specific IFR or in the calculation of NNT.  Given the relative efficacy of vaccines, and the fairly high IFRs at older ages, the ARR should be more appreciable than 0.035%.  Apologies if I am mistaken.

(Note: For those who would rather emulate the latter technique, check out this app called “Twitter.” It has an accredited fellowship program which focuses on all the fine points of this style of inquiry.)

I think there is a point to this argument. Upon some further reading, and after reaching out to 5 epidemiologists, 2 virologists, and 3 biostatisticians, I think I would say that the NNT calculation I included, while correct “technically” (it is, after all, the reciprocal of the ARR) does not fully capture the benefit of vaccines. In other words, I understated the value of vaccines, when it comes to preventing hospitalization and death in absolute terms.

Here is an interesting letter I was sent by one of the people I reached out to on this question and here is another interesting piece that explains the limitations of using NNT (or NNV) to estimate the effectiveness of vaccines. My takeaway from digging into this more closely is that the roughly 6 months of follow-up in the VA trial, despite its size of over 4 million patients, did not give enough time to see the full difference in mortality and hospitalization between the groups (unvaccinated and vaccinated). Giving enough time for every single person to be exposed to COVID, however long that takes, would be necessary before we can apply the ARR/NNT framework.

There is, of course, a great irony in this mistake. You see, it makes the argument for vaccines even better than I initially made it. This implies (based on the formal tools of logic) that the rationale for mandates is even weaker. After all, my argument against mandates is:

  1. Vaccines do a great job of protecting the vaccinated [correcting the NNT argument now makes this a stronger case];
  2. Vaccines do a poor job of preventing transmission;
  3. We have very successful treatments–both new drugs and one old drug–to treat COVID;
  4. Natural immunity is, at a minimum, as good as vaccine immunity and with each passing day the fraction of people who are not immune, via infection and/or vaccine, is shrinking precipitously; and
  5. Omicron is less virulent than all variants that preceded it and will eventually infect everyone, with or without a vaccine, thereby providing an excellent booster.

This is a good example of “majoring in the minor” as one of my professors used to say (as opposed to “majoring in the major” and “minoring in the minor”). Several people who were very upset about my analysis and conclusion were especially upset about this low estimate of NNT, but most failed to realize that this error was not germane to the overall argument and that correcting this mistake makes the argument stronger.


This is less of an “observation” per se so much as a follow-up for the sake of transparency and thoroughness. I recently shared the graph below on social media, and for those who might be interested in looking into this further, I wanted to share additional details about my sources for these data, as well as a limitation of this type of analysis.

Data for annual U.S. fatalities attributable to suicide, homicide, drug overdose, and COVID were sourced from the CDC, while the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) provided data for annual U.S. fatalities from motor vehicle accidents. For suicide, homicide, and drug overdoses, crude death rates were calculated from a 12-month period ending in Q3 of 2020. Motor vehicle-related death rates were calculated from a 12-month period ending in Q4 2019 and COVID-related death rates were calculated from a 12-month period ending in Q1 of 2021. The data for all fatality categories were further stratified by age and reported as rates per 100,000 persons within that age group. The raw data are presented below:

In creating the graph above, I normalized death rates from each category to the death rate from COVID for each age group. (For instance, to compare motor vehicle death rates to COVID death rates in the 0-5 year age group, I divided 2.2 by 0.2 = 11.0, meaning motor vehicle deaths were 11 times greater than COVID deaths per 100,000 children aged 0-5 years over the period of one year.) In other words, all values are presented relative to COVID death rates, which on this graph would all be equal to one. This graph seemed to generate a lot of anger, perhaps because people took it to mean we should not care about COVID. On the contrary, the point was merely that there are many things that pose a far greater threat to the lives and well-being of young people, contagious (e.g., influenza and pneumonia for people under 14, which is 3-5x more common as a cause of death, though not shown here) or otherwise.


I also generated some harsh criticism for commenting on social media and in last week’s newsletter that I felt it was wrong to remove a patient from the organ transplant list because they had not been vaccinated. In the case of one person, he had already been infected with COVID. In the case of the other, prior infection status was not provided.

Despite allegations to the contrary, I do have a sense of organ allocation, having spent many months on the transplant surgery service during my residency years at Johns Hopkins. If one argues that not being vaccinated implies poor compliance with subsequent medical care, then yes, this would rightly constitute grounds for deprioritization. If one argues that not being vaccinated increases the risk of organ rejection or subsequent infection that could lead to organ rejection (or death), then yes, this would rightly constitute grounds for deprioritization.

I think this is a far more difficult question to contemplate than, say, the utility of mandates, which seems very clear to me. Reasonable people can disagree on this thorny issue. I asked one of my closest friends from residency, Dr. Chris Sonnenday (also a previous guest on the podcast) who is the Surgical Director of Liver Transplantation for Michigan Medicine the following questions:

Is a person who has not had a hep B vaccine ineligible for a kidney?

Is a person who does not get the flu vaccine ineligible for liver or heart?

If this is a longstanding requirement, is it because it speaks to “non-compliance” or is it because the risk of death in the recipient is now too high to justify the organ?

Chris, being one of the most gracious people I know, wrote me a very long response and then hopped on a call with me for about 30 minutes to discuss further. All of this on a Saturday night when he was wrapping up a liver transplant.

I appreciate the opportunity to comment on this issue – I realize it is challenging and nuanced, and I appreciate your willingness to consider it.

I attached a response, which is essentially my description of our rationale for our vaccine requirement, and some of my own thoughts.

Ultimately, as you alluded to, this is about stewardship of a precious resource that demands a zero tolerance for preventable graft loss and patient death.

I will stipulate that the rationale included in my discussion relates to the specific context of immunosuppressed solid organ transplant recipients. The implications of natural immunity and vaccine requirements applied to healthy people are completely different, as I have heard you discuss recently on the podcast.

I have had a lot of long and emotional discussions about this issue with our patients. As you know, there is a lot of distrust of messaging about the vaccine, and appropriate concern about the accuracy of some of that messaging. I have developed great empathy for our patients that struggle with this decision. I am humbled to say though that the overwhelming majority of our vaccine-hesitant patients choose to become vaccinated when we explain to them our rationale and our commitment to their best possible post-transplant outcome. I am aware of only a few (single digits) of the more than 1000 patients on our collective waitlists at UM that have decided to delist or consult with other centers.

Chris’s attached response, which he literally wrote to me while sitting in the OR between cases, can be seen here. If you read this response, you can probably tell why I refer to Chris as, perhaps, the greatest doctor I’ve ever met.

After reading his letter, and speaking with Chris over the phone, I can honestly say I see his point of view with more clarity now. While there are inconsistencies in the requirements for vaccination to be a transplant recipient (e.g., it is not required to receive an annual flu vaccine), vaccine requirements (e.g., Hepatitis B vaccination) have been in place long before the arrival of COVID. More importantly, I now see how the best outcome for a transplant patient–someone who will spend the rest of their life immunocompromised–is likely better if they are vaccinated than if they are not. To that end, I will reverse my position on this particular mandate and I can only hope that everyone on an organ waiting list has the luxury of speaking with someone like Chris, if they are vaccine hesitant.

The Wrap-Up

One unexpected but pleasant surprise of this past week was the great dinner conversations with my 13-year-old daughter, who is learning about critical thinking in school. I was able to use the unfounded criticisms (those that didn’t bother to argue any of the points I made) as a teaching opportunity to demonstrate how not to think critically or rely on logic. As she finds herself at an important stage in life, when she is learning the value of skills such as critical thought and technical writing, I think it can be just as helpful to demonstrate what not to do as it can be to demonstrate what to do.

I was utterly amazed at some of the childish, immature comments and slurs hurled by other MDs, of all people. I really wonder what this says about my profession. Maybe I’m too naive and hold people to too high a standard, but I would have imagined that people with so much education would also have the neuronal reserve to simply focus on the substance of what they disagree with. Regardless, they have all provided an excellent example of everything I don’t want my kids to grow up to be.

Lastly, I want to return to that which I said first, namely, that my goal was to invite everyone to think. My brother Paul reminded me of an important lesson that he learned from one of his best friends and mentors in life. Paul, a former prosecutor and (by his own admission) a professional question-asker, was speaking to this friend about a need for greater question-asking and cross-examination of government policies and asked, “Do you think we, as a society, are afraid to ask tough questions and critically think?” His friend replied, “Maybe. Or maybe we are afraid, so it’s tough to think. Be patient.” His wise friend makes a great point. And to that end, I close this piece where I began my first piece. My simple invitation to everyone is that I’d like us all to think our way through these issues and to do so honestly, accurately, and fairly. If we can do that, our results as a society are bound to improve, even when we all don’t agree.

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  1. The big question here is whether we, as a society, have an obligation, or even a right, to protect those unwilling to protect themselves. This is particularly problematic when we’re dealing with a relatively new form of vaccine that could possibly, though not probably, exhibit unexpected side effects down the road. It’s a difficult question but I generally agree with your viewpoint.

  2. You your colleagues and many of the listeners here don’t realize that many don’t understand the scientific process. Also, when people begin to conflate statistics it dilutes the topic at hand. Car crashes are the biggest example. Just following the data is treating biology as though it’s physics. Everyone on this planet that has ever dropped something has had it fall, Physics. When studies are quoted about German teens about Swedes how does that even relate to US teens? So how can one say (X) does not work? It might not work as much as you deem significant but for everyone who is an outlier your data means nothing.
    Also, joking about wanting to get Covid was poor form.
    It’s great for you and the people of your opinion to commentate from the sidelines. Could you be this relaxed and confident if you were making decisions for a nation?
    Apologies, I don’t remember her name, but the woman that was there at the start of the podcast seemed to have a much better grasp on how to deliver data to most people not just the more scientifically sophisticated.
    As the cliche goes, it’s not enought to be right, you need to be effective. You wereostly effective at confirmation bias if reading the comments means anything. In other words people still stuck to their tribe as did you and zdog.

  3. You continue to overlook the point I tried to raise. A good number of us need/want to avoid infection and avoid infecting others. We are doing our part – vaccinations/boosters & masks. Yes, the pathogen can still spread but this is about reducing risk, not eliminating the pathogen (if only we could). My point is that the burden should fall on those who are not willing to do their part, i.e., no entry to public indoor places or crowded outdoor places. Let them bear the consequences of their decisions, instead of forcing those of us who are helping to reduce risk to bear those consequences.

  4. I have so appreciated your writings and podcasts. I am always anxious to read your thoughts on covid, from the beginning. I was introduced to you by my son, he is just finishing up his residency. I hope he can be as thoughtful as you as he goes through his career. Even though I do not always understand, I feel that I gain something from every episode. I loved Lori Gottlieb, I would never have read her book without hearing the podcast! I am saving the most recent…on covid…for my upcoming roadtrip! Thank you! (I know you are tired of it 😜)

  5. Thanks for all your thoughtful work Peter.
    An old flight instructor of mine used to say “5% of people think. 5% of people think they think. 90% of people would rather die than think.”
    I think he’s an optimist. Keep up the good work.


  6. I could agree with vax to protect others if vaxed people couldn’t still spread the disease. Natural immunity has been dismissed and vaccinations have ALWAYS been risk/benefit discussions until COVID. 18 & under are 0% mortality if vaxed so requiring a booster would expose them to a risk of myocarditis with 0 gain. Makes NO sense. Add this to the NUMEROUS times lobbyists have driven medical policy in lieu of the health and welfare of the American public and you can see why people are becoming wary of the discussion. Facts are not used in a logical manner. Testing should have been the focus to stop the spread. Masks and vax for high risk.

  7. Still no mention of the adverse events associated with the vaccines. Until you are willing to look at this issue directly and fully discuss it you won’t win over people who are afraid to take it. Discuss the shortcomings of the current reporting systems and the other systems available to analyse ( think your military has one). Look at all the listed adverse reactions and discuss whether there is a biological case to be made for causation or not. If someone wants to censor what information I have access to, then that immediately makes me suspicious, and I take it as an insult to my ability to critically analyse a situation that is pertinent to me. I have read many stories of adverse reactions and have two relatives who might have had serious consequences- but only a decent assessment of the data will show if their reactions were increased above chance. Most people are not taking the vaccine because they are more afraid of it than the disease ( and plenty have already had the disease and only see a negative risk benefit ratio). Nobody should be forced to take something when one of the side effects can be death or lifelong disability. If these vaccines were completely safe ( and effective) then there wouldn’t be a problem.

    Many people also feel a vaccine is not worth the risk as there are effective treatments- the problem is government policy not allowing them to be used. You refuse to address these political hot potatoes and it loses you credibility as an analytical thinker. Until you have read all the studies on HCQ and ivermectin, vitamin D etc yourself and done your usual thorough analysis of where there could be faults I don’t think you should be relying on your YouTuber friends. I would like to see you personally take on Pierre Kory, Paul Marik, Tess Lawrie, Peter McCullough and debate their analyses. If you’re not willing to listen to the other side then you go down in my estimation.

    I read a lot of substacks and don’t agree with them all but I think it is interesting to hear all sides and how far some push an argument. Some are so heavy into the statistics that I know I can’t argue but you might enjoy them. ( Matthew Crawford – Rounding the Earth, John Dees Almanac, Bartram’s Folly, El Gato Malo- Bad Cattitude, Eugyppius).

    I don’t usually bother commenting when someone has annoyed me – you should feel honoured that I do! I think it’s because I have invested so much in you over the last ?7 years ( I started reading eating academy ) and I feel personally let down at times.

    • Thank you for your assessment! I’m in total agreement with you.

      After the Dr. Paul Ofitt interview many months ago— I expressed the same concerns.

      Early on, my daughter caught Covid mildly on the frontlines and has suffered because of the mandates that Dr. PA supported back then. And I’m so glad that he’s changed his stance!

      But I’m afraid our brilliant hero may be a pharmaceutical rep. In two years of Covid — desperate for information I have not heard one contrarian perspective?

      Ideology is the impediment to knowledge…

  8. Thank you, Peter, for another rational and thoughtful newsletter. I will share the graph and chart of incidences of other causes of death with family and friends. Maybe it will help some to ratchet down their fear a bit, or at least think in a broader way about the risks of death that their children face.
    I am still hoping that you will address the seemingly alarming increases in various diseases since vaccination as reported by the military, but I realize that this information is only beginning to become available and it may be virtually impossible to draw any conclusions until a lot more time has passed.
    Once again, I appreciate that you have the courage to speak up in a time where many seem to have lost their ability to think logically, and it is wonderful to read that your article on mandates changed a few people’s minds. The power of the pen…

  9. The MDs hurling insults reminds me of that old joke – What do you call the medical student who finishes last in their class? Doctor.

  10. I’m also feeling compelled to comment and let you know that this kind of critically thinking and reanalysis of one’s own opinions (especially after already stating them publicly) is why I continue to trust and respect what you put out there.

    Overall I enjoyed and learned from the nuanced discussions of your recent COVID podcasts, but there were a few things I bristled at just a little (not surprising for such a controversial topic). I LOVE that you keep coming back and saying here are the good arguments I received that challenged what I said, here’s the additional experts I reached out to and/or additional thinking I’ve gave it, and here’s my now current point of view. Rather than simply looking to defend prior opinions.

  11. In deep appreciation, I respond to your patient explaination, once again, for those who aren’t proficient in statistical analysis of such a polarizing event. Thank you for reaching out to your beloved colleagues. My deepest hope is that their compassion is similar to the majority of humans with medical degrees. While I haven’t changed my personal belief that choice equals freedom, each of your well timed newletters have lessened my disbelief in the vitriol that this pandemic has ushered. Your shoulders are broad, dear doc. My number one goal in speaking to those who are open is “Take this opportunity to improve and sustain your health and longevity”. Highly anticipating your book, ok mostly because I think it is in accordance with my teaching. STEMSS -sleep, think, eat, move, supplement while neccessary, sunshine. Strengthen and nourish your STEMSS and your flower will flourish and your seeds will generate a resiliant generation.

  12. Hi Dr. Attia,

    Thank you so much for spending the time to cover this topic so carefully. My husband and I sincerely appreciate your approach to addressing the issues with facts and respect.

    For myself, I am still on the fence about vaccine mandates. I feel that in some cases mandates are legitimate. There are businesses that require drug testing and/or background checks. Perhaps there are some businesses where a vaccine mandate would be appropriate.

    I do have a comment about your argument at the beginning of the newsletter where you write: “certain high-risk behaviors come with higher health insurance costs to offset the added burden, but that is very different from entirely removing the right to engage in these behaviors.” It seems to me that these behaviors mostly affect the health of the person performing them. I can’t catch lung cancer from stopping to talk to a chain smoker in the grocery store for 15 minutes. My grandmother isn’t going to catch diabetes or cardiovascular disease from her neighbor. The sports team isn’t going to catch a broken ankle from their star center. It seems like the argument about not vaccinating being a similar burden on the healthcare system as other activities that we don’t ban is comparing highly contagious disease to self-inflicted or non-contagious disease or injury.

    Once again, thank you for all the time, attention, and especially the care you have put into writing and podcasting about this topic. It has been a great source of understanding for me and my family.

  13. “To that end, I will reverse my position on [fill in the blank]”. What? This, sir, is not allowed. Welcome to 2022. If you admit to an error, or concede a point – on any matter – you are clearly incapable of being trusted as a intelligent source on any topic!

    All kidding aside, please keep up the good work. One of my new tests for whether I will consider a source of news or information is whether I agree (or disagree) with them on every issue. If I do, in either case, I choose to ignore that source. I do not agree with every point you have made on various topics (I do to the above), but I absolutely agree *to your approach.*

  14. I really feel for you and your team for putting your comments on the cesspool that is social media. I know there is good info out there, but the signal-to-noise ratio is so low I avoid it. I really appreciate your decision to take on these topics though, because you came through with your reasoning for your opinions on it. Unfortunately, I know it’s lost on many people.

    I shared your previous article with some friends of mine on a group chat. We don’t always see eye to eye with on things, and I was hoping they would read it. I knew they wouldn’t. One of the comments from one of them was “I’m done following any of the suggested precautions and mandates myself. I’m tired of being fed lies. People continue to get sick despite getting the shots and boosters… Live free or die!” Yet another – who was a Covid denier before he and his wife got it, and his wife ended up in the hospital – said “Joe Rogans podcast talked of him having Covid, treated with Ivermectin, HCQ and over it in 2 days. We have a stock here of it.”

    I understand the need for you to focus on the mortality rates as that is the worst-case scenario and the data is pretty sound. We still have the hospitalization rates, the financial burdens, and all else that goes with it to contend with as well. Although, the deniers who 2 years ago who pointed out that death rates are low, no more than the flu, also now say those death rates are all inflated to make covid seem worse than it is. There really is no reasoning with some people, and if I’ve learned one thing from the past several years, it’s that the number of those people in this country is horrifying.

  15. I have no disagreements. I am posting my agreement and encouragement. Clear and careful thinking is in short supply. Please keep it up. Thank you!

  16. I am an new subscriber, as of yesterday. I was sort of surprised to read my first newsletter about covid. In my world, small town in the West, no one cares about it any more. No one asks if someone is vaccinated. Masks have become a personal choice. The vaccines don’t stop you from catching or transmitting covid, especially omicron. Infection numbers are no longer covered on the daily news reports.
    People want to get back to a more normal life, and the feeling is that mandates just keep that from happening.
    I had covid before there were vaccines, and I have had the two jabs. No plans for a booster.

  17. Is there any chance you would consider addressing the issue of gun violence as a major barrier to longevity? You and others in the public health sphere seem to suck this topic. Thoughts?

  18. Thanks again for your articles and all you do!
    I especially am grateful for Dr. Sonnenday’s response. I cannot begin to understand what it would be like to work with patients, have them eager and willing to change, then pass away before they have a chance to receive a transplant, this would definitely increase the importance attached to being a good steward. However I wonder if there are data about the mortality rates of those who receive flu vaccinations prior-to-transplant vs after, and if that too would/should fall under the pre-transplant requirements. At the very least it would help delineate the line they seem to have drawn between necessary vs unnecessary risk in their patients.

  19. I am literally in awe of your ability to make sense of the chaos – thoughtfully, systematically and logically, in open forum discussions and to share this with the public at a time so relevant to where we are in this pandemic.
    Thank you to you, your team and your guests/experts.

    Where I’m looking for more discussion is around the risks and benefits of the COVID vaccine for kids (in the 5-11yr age group).
    I’m having a hard time understanding how clinical research is stating there are no long term side-effects (for instance to puberty or infertility). How can those clinical trials have taken place?
    Thoughts about Sweden’s decision not to recommend?

    A deeper dive to all things related to COVID and kids (younger than College kids) would be greatly appreciated.

    – Request from a Canadian

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