November 7, 2022

Cardiovascular Disease

#230 ‒ Cardiovascular disease in women: prevention, risk factors, lipids, and more | Erin Michos, M.D.

How we live the first half of our lives really influences our freedom for morbidity and mortality the second half of our lives.” —Erin Michos

Read Time 63 minutes

Erin Michos is an internationally-known leader in preventive cardiology and women’s cardiovascular health. In this episode, Erin discusses current trends in cardiovascular disease (CVD) through the lens of female biology and the observation that major adverse cardiac events in both sexes are on the rise. She walks through risk factors including LDL-cholesterol, apoB, and Lp(a) and makes the case for the importance of early preventative measures. She explains various interventions for reducing risk including a discussion of statins, GLP-1 agonists, PCSK9-inhibitors, and drugs that lower Lp(a). She goes in-depth on female-specific factors that contribute to CVD risk such as pregnancy, grand multiparity (having five or more children), oral contraceptives, menopause, and polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS). Additionally, she explains her approach with patients as it relates to the use of hormone replacement therapy and provides advice for people wanting to lower risk both through lifestyle changes and medications.

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We discuss:

  • Erin’s background in preventive cardiology and women’s health [2:30]; 
  • Recent trends in cardiovascular disease in women, mortality data, and how it compares to cancer [5:15];
  • Why early preventative measures are critical for cardiovascular disease risk [13:15]; 
  • ApoB as a causal agent of CVD, and why high apoB levels are not being aggressively treated in most cases [19:45];
  • The rising trend of metabolic syndrome and other factors contributing to the regression in progress of reducing cardiac events [27:00];
  • GLP-1 agonists—Promising drugs for treating diabetes and obesity [33:30];
  • Female-specific risk factors for ASCVD (pre- and post-menopause) [37:15];
  • Polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS): prevalence, etiology, and impact on metabolic health, lipids and fertility [47:00];
  • The effect of grand multiparity (having 5+ children) on cardiovascular disease risk for women [52:30];
  • The impact of oral contraceptives on cardiovascular disease risk [55:00];
  • The effect of pregnancy on lipids and other metabolic parameters [58:45];
  • The undertreatment of women with familial hypercholesterolemia (FH) and how it increases lifetime risk of ASCVD [1:02:00];
  • How concerns around statins have contributed to undertreatment, and whether women should stop statins during pregnancy [1:09:45];
  • How Erin approaches the prescription of statins to patients [1:16:00];
  • PCSK9 inhibitors and other non-statin drugs [1:21:15];
  • Advice for the low- and high-risk individual [1:28:30];
  • The impact of nutrition, stress, and lifestyle on lipids and CVD risk [1:31:00];
  • Lp(a) as a risk enhancer for cardiovascular disease [1:41:15];
  • The effect of menopause on cardiovascular disease risk [1:50:30];
  • How Erin approaches decisions regarding hormone replacement therapy (HRT) for her patients [1:55:30];
  • The urgent need for more data on women’s health [2:03:30];
  • Erin’s goal of running a marathon in every state [2:09:45]; and
  • More.

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Erin’s background in preventive cardiology and women’s health [2:30]

  • Erin has been at Hopkins for 22 years
    • She did her residency from 2000-2003 and stayed on for a cardiology fellowship
    • Then she joined the faculty
    • She’s been faculty for over 15 years
  • Peter did his residency in general surgery there too, from 2001-2006
    • This made him realize they probably passed each other somewhere in the emergency room during residency

When Erin went into medicine, did she know she wanted to do cardiology? 

  • When she went into medicine, yes
  • In college, she didn’t know she was going into medicine
    • There are no doctors in her family; she’s the first one
  • She started her undergraduate studies at Northwestern as a molecular biology major
  • She interacted with so many pre-med students who were her classmates
    • Their enthusiasm about entering the field was contagious
  • She was doing a lot of bench science, which is a really good experience
    • Erin adds, “I think anybody entering science and medicine should have some bench lab work experience
  • She began to long for more direct clinical research with direct patient exposure
  • In her last year of undergrad, she switched to being pre-med
  • She applied to both PhD and medical programs
  • When she started medical school, she fell in love with cardiology
    • As medical student, even before residency
  • She has a real interest in diet and nutrition, and exercise and lifestyle

We think that over 90% of cardiovascular disease is due to preventable modifiable risk factors”‒ Erin Michos 

  • There’s so much we can do for prevention and this is why Erin really loves being a preventive cardiologist
  • When she entered residency, she already had her eye on a cardiology fellowship
  • She did 3 years of a medical residency (which is standard) and 4 years of cardiology
    • The cardiology program was longer because it emphasized research
    • She did 2 years of research on a T32 program in cardiovascular epidemiology, and that’s where she got her master’s in health science

 

Recent trends in cardiovascular disease in women, mortality data, and how it compares to cancer [5:15]

Why doesn’t prevention get more attention?

  • Data from the INTERHEART study show that 90% of myocardial infarction risk was due to preventable risk factors
  • Peter tells his patients that ASCVD (atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease) is the leading cause of death
  • He was surprised last year to realize how much bigger the gap is between ASCVD and cancer globally than in the US
    • ASCVD is #1 in both the world and US
    • But outside the US, ASCVD causes 18-19 million deaths where as cancer causes 10-11 million deaths (per year)
    • ASCVD causes almost 2x more deaths than cancer
  • Peter asks, “When you take into account what you just said, that between smoking, hypertension and controlling apoB, you could basically turn that into a disease that would barely rank on the top 10. Does it surprise you that this doesn’t get more attention?
  • It surprises Erin, and she’s concerned that we’re reversing these trends

Recent trends in cardiovascular disease 

  • The first statin, lovastatin, was approved in 1987
  • That along with efforts in smoking cessation and blood pressure treatment, there was a significant decline in cardiovascular disease mortality in men
  • During this time, unfortunately, CVD mortality was rising in women till around the year 2000 when this came to attention 
  • And after that time there was dramatic decline in cardiovascular disease mortality in women and continued decline in men
  • But unfortunately, in recent years we are no longer making these strides in progress anymore
  •  In fact, we’re no longer even stagnated
  • There has been a frank uptick in cardiovascular disease mortality in both men and women due to the epidemics of obesity and diabetes and cardiometabolic diseases
  • Cardiovascular disease mortality is on the rise in younger women
    • And when you look at rates of change, the fastest growing heart disease death rate is in middle-aged women aged 45 to 64 
  • So we really need to double down on our preventive efforts, and it’s really disheartening to see that we’re no longer making the progress that we used to
  • If these trends are not overturned, heart disease is set to overtake cancer as the leading cause of death in younger women as well
  • Peter comments on mortality data
    • In middle age, cancer is the biggest killer
    • In old age, cardiovascular disease and neurodegenerative disease dominate
  • He finds this very concerning that cardiovascular disease may eclipse cancer in middle age

Erin’s focus on women’s health 

  • Erin is focused on women’s health, and cardiovascular disease is the leading cause of death in women
  • Women more often fear breast cancer, but far more women are likely to die of cardiovascular disease than cancer
    • However, in younger individuals (under the age of 65), cancer is still the leading cause of death in women
  • One of her studies tracked death rates in younger women under the age of 65 in the US looking at CDC WONDER data over a 20-year period from 1999 to 2018 (see the figure below)
    • They showed during this time that cancer mortality has been declining in younger women
    •  But since 2010, heart disease mortality in younger women is no longer declining, and it’s actually rising at 0.5% per year 
    • It’s narrowing the gap between cancer deaths and heart disease deaths in women under 65 

Figure 1.  Mortality fates of women under 65 due to heart disease and cancer, 1999-2018.  Image credit: EHJ:QCCO 2022

  • Erin is discouraged, “If these trends are not overturned, heart disease is set to overtake cancer as the leading cause of death and younger women, which is really discouraging considering that we have so many more tools now for prevention

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Erin Michos, M.D.

Dr. Erin Michos is an Associate Professor of Medicine within the Division of Cardiology at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine.  She has a joint appointment in the Department of Epidemiology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. She is the Associate Director of Preventive Cardiology with the Ciccarone Center for the Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease at Johns Hopkins.  She is a Fellow of the American College of Cardiology (FACC) and a Fellow of the American Heart Association (FAHA).  

Dr. Michos completed medical school at Northwestern University in Chicago, IL, and then completed both her Internal Medicine residency and Cardiology fellowship at the Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, MD. She also completed her Masters of Health Science degree in Cardiovascular Epidemiology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

Her research interests are in the areas of Preventive Cardiology and Cardiovascular Epidemiology, with particular focus on (1) physical activity and nutrition; (2) risk prediction for cardiovascular disease including the use of coronary artery calcium scores and biomarkers, (3) lipids and statin therapy, (4) cardiovascular disease among women, and (4) vitamin D.

As part of the Johns Hopkins cardiology faculty, her clinical duties entail seeing patients in the Preventive Cardiology outpatient clinic and the Echocardiography lab. She also teaches students at the Johns Hopkins University Medical School and the Bloomberg School of Public Health. She is the Chair of the Women’s Task Force for the Cardiology Division at Johns Hopkins. She is part of the Editorial Board for the journal Circulation.

Dr. Michos is a co-investigator on the NIH-funded Multi-Ethnic Study of Atherosclerosis (MESA) and Atherosclerosis Risk in Communities (ARIC) studies. She is an investigator in an on-going NIH-funded clinical trial (STURDY trial) studying vitamin D and fall prevention. She is the Training Director for the AHA fellowship program for the AHA’s Go Red for Women Strategic Focus Research Network at Johns Hopkins for research in women’s cardiovascular health.

Dr. Michos has authored or co-authored over 200 manuscripts in peer reviewed journals. She also contributes a monthly article for the US News and World Report Health Section for the public audience. She is also a frequent contributing writer to Johns Hopkins Medicine’s Healthy Heart and Healthy Woman websites.  [Johns Hopkins]

Twitter: @ErinMichos

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10 Comments

  1. What confuses me in this conversation is that HRT is not seen as the best tool for reducing the risk of cardiovascular disease in women after menopause. This seems to contradict what I heard in the interview Peter did with Avrum Bluming about his book “Estrogen matters”.
    Are the potential side effects of statins not greater then those of an estradiol patch in most women?

  2. Excellent Peter.
    Iam a 71 year old australian male.
    Whom has weight trained since age 16.
    I now weight train twice a week and ruck for 40 minutes twice a week.
    I have suffered AF, and 2 years ago had a cardiac ablation.
    Iam fine now , but take Eliquis, bisoprol .direction, all small doses.
    I keep lean and strong. Have never smoked and don’t drink alcohol

    I love your work Peter.

    Regards David

  3. Wondering if Peter has ever had a Thyroid specialist on? Recently positive for thyroid antibodies and also positive ANA speckled pattern. Lots of symptoms, T3 on the low side of normal and T4 smack dab in the middle of normal.

  4. This podcast is enlightening for women and female specific health concerns. I am 61 and have a very high CAC score which has caused increased anxiety! Gaining education about treatment options really helps to lower the anxiety by helping to choose meaningful and successful treatments. I began taking Repatha (insurance approved!) and my total cholesterol and LDL have already dropped significantly. I have been a statin intolerant person for many years. I wish I could find a cardiologist in my area that is up to date in their field. I live in Dallas, TX. I’m sure they are out there, but I have not met them. My cardiologist does not mention LPa not APOb. I also have Type 1 diabetes and am hypothyroid. Finding an endocrinologist has been challenging as well! Through much personal research, I am currently taking NP Thyroid and I finally not only feel better, but my blood sugar is improved and I am certain that my cholesterol is effected in a positive way.

  5. I am commenting again because I am curious about your thoughts on this paper that links higher doses of statins to the risk of osteoporosis.
    As someone with osteopenia and very high Apo B but minimal other risk factors for heart disease I have trouble making a decision on statins.
    https://ard.bmj.com/content/78/12/1706

  6. From your series, “The Straight Dope on Cholesterol”, I learned that the most important number to look at is LDL-P. In this episode, Erin repeatedly talks about the need to lower LDL-C to under 70. But if the LDL-P is low (under 1000) and the small LDL-P is low (under 100) do you still need to worry about lowering LDL-C? I was under the impression that LDL-C could be high if the LDL-P was low. Thank you for clarifying.

    • Follow up question. If LDL-P is low, LDL is high (discordant, I learned from you), is a CAC score relevant? If only a CAC score and no other negative factor, would you still put someone on a statin? It seems like there is a hierarchy- the most important factor being LDL-P (or ApoB). Is that right?

  7. Why take statins at all?

    [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26408281/] The effect of statins on average survival in randomised trials, an analysis of end point postponement

    “Results: 6 studies for primary prevention and 5 for secondary prevention with a follow-up between 2.0 and 6.1 years were identified. Death was postponed between -5 and 19 days in primary prevention trials and between -10 and 27 days in secondary prevention trials. The median postponement of death for primary and secondary prevention trials were 3.2 and 4.1 days, respectively.”

    It seems like a prescription of a nutritious diet and some exercise would produce far more favorable results without the associated side effects.

  8. Excellent information, but not enough about prevention. No discussion of the utility of CIMT in assessing for vulnerable plaque, the limitations of CACS (only detects calcified plaque, not vulnerable plaque) and the roles of oxidative stress, dental pathogens, sleep disorders, other genes (9p21, haptoglobin, KIF6, ApoE), hyperuricemia, air pollution, renal insufficiency, stress and more in CVD. Please invite and interview Dr. Amy Doneen to your podcast to educate your followers on assessment of risks and roots causes, actionable treatment and monitoring. We can prevent vascular disease. Dr. Doneen and Dr. Bale are doing this and have published data.
    https://baledoneen.com/the-baledoneen-method/

  9. Love that you’ve had a couple women-centered podcasts recently.

    On an unrelated note, I would love to hear you interview an audiologist. Considering the research that’s coming out about cognition and hearing aids, I really believe that we need to change society’s opinion. On average, it takes people 4 years to get hearing aids after they’ve been diagnosed as needing them. Further, regular hearing checks can let people know about things like vestibular schwannomas early.

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name='gform_target_page_number_1' id='gform_target_page_number_1' value='0' /> <input type='hidden' class='gform_hidden' name='gform_source_page_number_1' id='gform_source_page_number_1' value='1' /> <input type='hidden' name='gform_field_values' value='' /> </div> <p style="display: none !important;"><label>&#916;<textarea name="ak_hp_textarea" cols="45" rows="8" maxlength="100"></textarea></label><input type="hidden" id="ak_js_5" name="ak_js" value="108"/><script>document.getElementById( "ak_js_5" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() );</script></p></form> </div>
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