Jeff English is a trauma-focused clinical counselor with extensive experience working with adults, teens, families, and groups across various settings, including career counseling, life coaching, addiction recovery, professional workshops, and private practice. In this episode, Jeff shares insights from his work as a trauma therapist, exploring how moments of perceived helplessness shape behaviors and how adaptive strategies can become maladaptive over time. He discusses the concept of the “trauma tree,” examining its roots (causes) and branches (consequences), and highlights a powerful framework used at the Bridge to Recovery, a residential workshop where Jeff operated for over 8 years. Jeff reflects on the transformative power of group therapy, the role of vulnerability in fostering connection, and the challenges of letting go of control. He also offers practical advice on finding a great trauma therapist, balancing personal growth within relationships, and recognizing when it’s time to seek help.

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We discuss:

  • Defining trauma—a loaded word [3:00];
  • The therapeutic process at The Bridge to Recovery: confronting discomfort, embracing vulnerability, and reframing one’s story [5:45];
  • The roots of the trauma tree: the foundational wounding experiences that shape adaptive survival behaviors [11:30];
  • The branches of the trauma tree: how trauma manifests through co-dependency, addictive patterns, insecure attachments, and more [17:30];
  • The connection between trauma manifestations and underlying wounding experiences, trauma triggers, and the importance of surrender in the healing process [24:00];
  • How surrendering control, eliminating distractions, and practicing vulnerability are essential components of the healing process [32:45];
  • How adaptive behaviors developed during childhood in response to trauma can become maladaptive in adulthood [43:30];
  • The difference between shame and guilt, and recognizing and addressing toxic shame and shame-driven behaviors [49:15];
  • The unique rules at The Bridge to Recovery that support the healing process [53:15];
  • Internal resistance to healing due to the fear of losing positive traits associated with trauma [58:15];
  • The structured storytelling process at The Bridge, and the role of peer feedback in healing [1:05:00];
  • The differences between immersive residential therapy and individual therapy, and how to determine the right approach for different individuals [1:09:30];
  • Jeff’s personal journey as a client and therapist at The Bridge [1:22:00];
  • The generational transmission of trauma, and breaking the cycle [1:25:45];
  • The challenge of addressing socially acceptable maladaptive behaviors like workaholism, perfectionism, and overachievement [1:28:45];
  • How to determine whether struggles stem from deep-seated trauma or just bad habits, and how rewiring maladaptive behaviors requires addressing the underlying emotional wounds [1:32:30];
  • Breakthroughs that shatter beliefs and allows change to occur, and the process that creates this opportunity [1:39:15];
  • Jeff’s advice on finding a therapist for trauma work [1:46:45];
  • The importance of connection and vulnerability [1:52:45];
  • How to encourage a resistant partner to seek healing [1:57:30];
  • Jeff’s advice for those facing emotional struggles [1:59:15]; and
  • More.

Show Notes

Defining trauma—a loaded word [3:00]

Talk a little bit about this loaded word of “trauma”

  • When Peter was first introduced to this idea of trauma, he didn’t know what that meant
  • Today it’s become such a catchy buzzword, that everybody is traumatized by something

How do you describe trauma as a trauma therapist and as someone who’s been doing trauma therapy for many years? 

  • The big traumas (“big T”) are being in war: Vietnam, 9/11 attack, etc.

Within the spirit of the work, really embracing a definition: moments of perceived helplessness, that’s what’s going to activate the limbic system 

Who is to say what one limbic system evaluates as helplessness versus another?

  • That’s when we get into this discovery most people have made of, “Wow, I think I did experience trauma.”
  • Jeff works with clients individually and in groups
  • He thinks we often make things too complex
  • A lot of what he does is try to depolarize for folks
    • Getting into these situations to where we live in this world of “get-over-it, it doesn’t matter”
    • Versus, like Peter mentioned, perhaps we stay stuck in it

Moments of perceived helplessness activate the limbic system

Wounding events ‒ one of those would be a tragic event 

  • Life seems to be going one way before this thing happens, and then this thing happens, and life changes and everything is different on the other side of that “big T” event
  • Versus someone who maybe you could describe it as “a thousand paper cuts” [“little t” events]
    • Someone growing up, going through childhood, daily being limbically activated, but moments of perceived helplessness
    • That stuck for Jeff, and it stuck for a lot of clients

The therapeutic process at The Bridge to Recovery: confronting discomfort, embracing vulnerability, and reframing one’s story [5:45]

How a place like The Bridge to Recovery comes to exist, and how therapists like Jeff come to work at places like that 

  • It might be shocking to some, how much group therapy is done at a place like that
  • When Peter looks back through his journal, it’s amazing how complex it was for him to be able to open up in front of a group
    • He spent the first few days saying virtually nothing, largely because of that discomfort
  • In his book, Peter described The Bridge as this wonderful, horrible place in the woods of Bowling Green, Kentucky

Some folks call it residential treatment; some people call it trauma camp 

  • Other names Peter wrote down: Camp Misery, The Sadness Factory, and The Tree of Pain
    • Jeff couldn’t argue with any of those

Jeff describes it as residential treatment for disconnection 

  • Most folks think disconnection sounds vague
  • When many think of residential treatment, they tend to jump to substance abuse (where people go to get sober)

Jeff explains, “Disconnection is just the concept that’s used at The Bridge, and one way of disconnecting is substance abuse, but also screens, sex, relationships, ego, anger. So you just take away the substance, take away the word alcohol, and plug in whatever word you want to.” 

The group process 

  • You might have a group of 8 folks, and there might be 3 folks who identify as substance abusers and 2 as workaholics

You may disconnect differently than I do, Peter, but the commonality is that, especially when life throws us a curveball, this disconnected version of me seems to come out, jump in my driver’s seat, if you will.”‒ Jeff English

  • There’s a big part of Jeff that doesn’t want to give away the secrets ‒ let the magic happen
  • But you can know everything that’s going to happen, and then you start going through the process, and discomfort is what it’s all about
    • That’s when stuff comes up
    • That’s the whole idea
  • Monday is admissions day, and counselors would usually meet the groups by Tuesday

Countless times Jeff has tried to help talk folks off the ledge of leaving  

  • In summary, their reasons are an increase in anxiety (the details differ)
    • They may say, “I came to The Bridge and my anxiety was at a 7. Right now I think it’s a 9. I need to get the heck out of here. This place ain’t for me.
    • This is the evidence that The Bridge is exactly the right place for them 
  • Peter remembers that first day (Monday) is a very unpleasant day

Explain the objectives of phase 1: The telling of one’s life story 

  • Getting your history straight
  • Many folks have done it before, but here it’s through the lens of what the counselors introduce as “the trauma tree”
    • It’s the “what happened to me” story
    • So many of us for years (sometimes decades) have been telling the story of what’s wrong with me
  • From the very beginning, the shift, the hope is to move a little bit closer to what happened to me
    • Not within the spirit of an excuse, but an explanation
    • It makes sense that I do this thing that I do now
  • The group process brings up the stuff Jeff calls “the guards”
    • Parts therapist will call them protective parts (this isn’t new)
    • It’s “ego states” (new terminology)

Guard refers to the protective side of a person that comes up when they get vulnerable 

When does someone get vulnerable? 

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Jeff English

Jeff English studied at Western Kentucky University where he earned a Bachelor’s in Psychology, a Masters of Arts in Education, and completed graduate studies in Clinical Mental Health Counseling. He spent over 11 years in post-secondary education as a career counselor. During that time, he realized his passion for working with individuals challenged by traumatic stress and dysfunctional family systems. He also worked on recovery from his personal experience (family of origin) with addiction, codependence, and trauma. This led him to The Bridge To Recovery where he worked as a lead therapist. Past credentials include LPCC (Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor), NCC (Nationally Certified Counselor), and CCTP-II (Certified Clinical Trauma Professional Level 2). Recently, he has shifted his clinical focus to work with individuals, providing life and relationship consulting. He has extensive experience as a helping professional and is currently offering his services as a healing guide via jeffenglishgrit.com.  [The Bridge to Recovery]

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